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 ====== VuFind® Community Call Minutes: November 7, 2023 ======
-Attending: Ephraim, Efundo Online Education, Demian Katz, Maccabee Levine, Ere Maijala, Robert Sipek, Susan Turkel, Thomas Wagener
+Attending: Ephraim, Demian Katz, Maccabee Levine, Luke Magoyo, Ere Maijala, Robert Sipek, Susan Turkel, Thomas Wagener
 ===== Agenda =====
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   * [[https://github.com/vufind-org/vufind/pull/3025|#3025]] - Add new Overdrive features
     * Status: Significant work still needed; waiting for @bpalme to make updates.
+== General Discussion / Outcomes ==
+Demian is currently trying to balance addressing newly-added PRs quickly (to resolve small/easy ones immediately and prevent the backlog from growing) with addressing older long-standing PRs (which are being addressed in a roughly oldest-first order). It will take considerable time to get caught up.
+Thomas and Maccabee emphasized that they are not in a huge rush to get their PRs resolved.
+Ere offered to help with some new feature reviews; Maccabee offered to assist with various front-end infrastructure PRs as needed (though this was not discussed in detail yet because Chris was unable to attend).
+Susan will continue to do hands-on testing where possible/appropriate.
+There was some discussion about tagging and assigning PRs to make management easier. Demian will take some of the suggestions under consideration and apply further classification where possible.
 We'll talk about JIRA tickets at a future meeting; first we should focus on triaging the pull requests.
 ==== 2. Technical Discussion: Theme Development Next Steps / Collaboration ====
+There was discussion about the increasing need to eliminate Bootstrap 3 due to its end of life status.
+Some questions:
+  * Where should we go next? (Bootstrap upgrade? Other framework? Pure HTML?)
+  * How much can be abstracted? What abstraction mechanism should we use? (View helper? LESS? Sub-templates?)
+  * How do we balance this with other priorities?
+Some thoughts:
+  * The Doctrine work in progress is touching many template files, so trying to do that at the same time as a full Bootstrap replacement may cause many conflicts and make progress difficult. We may want to prioritize concluding the Doctrine project before attempting other major theme migration work.
+  * It would be good to assess the scope of Bootstrap usage in the current theme. How many features are we using? How many templates are impacted? What patterns are prevalent in the code?
+  * Once we have an idea of patterns that need to be addressed, we could begin some proof-of-concept work to come up with solution patterns before fully applying those solutions.
+  * There may be some situations where modern HTML can address needs previously met by Bootstrap. It is unlikely we can entirely give up framework use, but perhaps we can reduce it -- this should be a goal where practical.
+  * Abstraction of framework functionality to simplify future customization is a good goal but may be less practical than a simple Bootstrap upgrade. While abstraction would be nice to have, if the best we can do is a reduction of Bootstrap dependency and a straight upgrade, that might be acceptable for this round to keep forward momentum moving.
+  * Entirely abandoning the bootstrap3 theme all at once would be an inconvenience for many users, but we don't want to have to maintain multiple themes in parallel for a long time. Maybe we could freeze and deprecate bootstrap3 while adding a new theme. We'll have to assess possibilities.
 ==== 3. Open Q&A / Other Topics? ====
-None this month.
+Demian assisted Luke with some Solr troubleshooting. They ran out of time on the meeting and will continue via email.
 ===== Next Call =====